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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might be a bit late but, to add just a point to the conversation on  the reason why the norse converted to christianity I read somewhere that after ragnarok when the forces of the aesir and vanir fought the final battle against the forces of destruction. The nine world were destroyed in the ensueing chaos and from the ashes of the last battle a new world was created (much like the creation of the giant ymir from fire and frost two opposites i guess it&#039;de be like to opposites again colliding and creating life and a world) and two humans a man and a woman survivded ragnarok by hidding I believe in a tree&#039;s trunk and these two humans were protected by one god (supposadly baldr since he died before ragnarok) and through him his father and fellow aesir were continually worshipped. So since christians worship one god and the norse worshiped a pantheon through one god the christians might of attempted to morph this gods identiy into christ. Again just an idea, I&#039;m not trying to disprove anyonne else&#039;s idea. If any of this is wrong go ahead and say so, so that noone mistakes this for the truth. sorry for spelling mistakes if any</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be a bit late but, to add just a point to the conversation on  the reason why the norse converted to christianity I read somewhere that after ragnarok when the forces of the aesir and vanir fought the final battle against the forces of destruction. The nine world were destroyed in the ensueing chaos and from the ashes of the last battle a new world was created (much like the creation of the giant ymir from fire and frost two opposites i guess it&#8217;de be like to opposites again colliding and creating life and a world) and two humans a man and a woman survivded ragnarok by hidding I believe in a tree&#8217;s trunk and these two humans were protected by one god (supposadly baldr since he died before ragnarok) and through him his father and fellow aesir were continually worshipped. So since christians worship one god and the norse worshiped a pantheon through one god the christians might of attempted to morph this gods identiy into christ. Again just an idea, I&#8217;m not trying to disprove anyonne else&#8217;s idea. If any of this is wrong go ahead and say so, so that noone mistakes this for the truth. sorry for spelling mistakes if any</p>
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		<title>By: Zander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The (Tyr-rune) is my symbol! 
And the game!!</description>
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And the game!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 16:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Fidur!

Westernized history lessons are the most biased. If you want to find out real information check out books from various souces, especially from Europe.

It&#039;s just like the news, in US (western culture) we have news channels that are bias and from one station to the next the same story is told from opposite ends, the same happens in the history books, but we don&#039;t get the other side. the BBC gives you the news and doesn&#039;t tell what to think about it because the people are supposed to think for themselves.

Also I saw many spelling violations a lot worse than capitalization, I might even have a few, it&#039;s an interwebs post... FYI: people that think for themselves don&#039;t really care about your opinion though they will read it and consider it if you make a good point. Yes, what I said applies to my post too, and that makes this a waste of time. I got nothin&#039; better to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Fidur!</p>
<p>Westernized history lessons are the most biased. If you want to find out real information check out books from various souces, especially from Europe.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just like the news, in US (western culture) we have news channels that are bias and from one station to the next the same story is told from opposite ends, the same happens in the history books, but we don&#8217;t get the other side. the BBC gives you the news and doesn&#8217;t tell what to think about it because the people are supposed to think for themselves.</p>
<p>Also I saw many spelling violations a lot worse than capitalization, I might even have a few, it&#8217;s an interwebs post&#8230; FYI: people that think for themselves don&#8217;t really care about your opinion though they will read it and consider it if you make a good point. Yes, what I said applies to my post too, and that makes this a waste of time. I got nothin&#8217; better to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Kire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 16:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DT, just so it`s said.. Before Christianity came to the Nordic countries, men and women were counted as -equals- and it wasn`t until Christianity truely got a hold of the nordic countries women were how to put it... &quot;less worth&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DT, just so it`s said.. Before Christianity came to the Nordic countries, men and women were counted as -equals- and it wasn`t until Christianity truely got a hold of the nordic countries women were how to put it&#8230; &#8220;less worth&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, I`m a Norwegian pagan;
Anyway I figured I`d clarify some of this whole conversion part during the Norse ages, at least when it comes to Norway.

first, I`d like to state, that the Norse people were not vikings per say, a viking is someone who pillage land from the sea, while the Norse people mainly were traders and explorers, do keep in mind that I`m not stating that some of them weren`t &quot;vikings&quot; as one can only imagine it as a rather common &quot;occupation/lifestyle&quot; when one look at sources such as Snorre Sturlavsson`s writings (Kings saga).

And then regarding the whole conversion from the old beliefs to the new ones (in Norway)
the norse people picked up sevral things from their travels, trade, war etc; and they were quite &quot;friendly&quot; in regards to cultural differences (to my knowledge. When Christianity grew in Norway, the news of it did of course reach the ears of the Nordic people, and some even let themself be baptised yet kept their old beliefs, simply to have the oppertunity to continue trading (this was demanded by some christians) this resulted in the reigion more or less getting pushed little by little upon the people. Eventually however Norway gained kings that were Christian and tried to force this religion further upon their entire people, such as Olav Trygvasson, this was mostly done in a quite brutal manner, Trygvasson did not manage to succesfully make his people Christian, and had to give up this idea.
It wasn`t until Olav Haraldsson got the throne at about 1015 that Christianity truely got a hold in the Norwegian Kingdom, Olav forced his people into accepting the faith by giving them an option; Either you worship the &quot;true&quot; god or be executed / lose your body parts and be exiled from the kingdom; Olav also destroyed sevral pagan art works, places of worship and such, however this was not enough for his people to convert fully, and many parts of the old ways would survive, even to these modern days, for example &quot;Christmas&quot; which in Norwegian is called Jul, decending from Yule (a norse holliday). Later the people rebelled against Olav, and he lost his throne at about 1028, then his life at 1030 during the battle of Stikklestad against the &quot;rebels&quot;; upon Olav`s death things happened with his corpse, such as his blood supposedly restoring a blinde man`s vision, his hair and nails growing, and his body not decomposing, and alot of other &quot;miracles&quot; at 1031 Olav was declared a &quot;Saint&quot; and people would pray to him for help and guidance and recieve the aid they hoped for.

To sum it all up; The norse people had little choice but convert to christianity, as it was that or be dishonoured. Also one can speculate that the Christian faith seemed stronger to the Norwegian people due to the acomplishments and &quot;miracles&quot; regarding Olav Haraldsson.

However I would like to state once more; that Olav did not succeed entirely, as many traiditions and such lived onwards, and sevral of the norse customs remained the same, and simply changed in name and purpose.

I do hope this have explained the whole thing decently to you all, and that you actually bothered to read what I wrote, furthermore I apologize for any typoes I might have had.

Thank you for your time
Kire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, I`m a Norwegian pagan;<br />
Anyway I figured I`d clarify some of this whole conversion part during the Norse ages, at least when it comes to Norway.</p>
<p>first, I`d like to state, that the Norse people were not vikings per say, a viking is someone who pillage land from the sea, while the Norse people mainly were traders and explorers, do keep in mind that I`m not stating that some of them weren`t &#8220;vikings&#8221; as one can only imagine it as a rather common &#8220;occupation/lifestyle&#8221; when one look at sources such as Snorre Sturlavsson`s writings (Kings saga).</p>
<p>And then regarding the whole conversion from the old beliefs to the new ones (in Norway)<br />
the norse people picked up sevral things from their travels, trade, war etc; and they were quite &#8220;friendly&#8221; in regards to cultural differences (to my knowledge. When Christianity grew in Norway, the news of it did of course reach the ears of the Nordic people, and some even let themself be baptised yet kept their old beliefs, simply to have the oppertunity to continue trading (this was demanded by some christians) this resulted in the reigion more or less getting pushed little by little upon the people. Eventually however Norway gained kings that were Christian and tried to force this religion further upon their entire people, such as Olav Trygvasson, this was mostly done in a quite brutal manner, Trygvasson did not manage to succesfully make his people Christian, and had to give up this idea.<br />
It wasn`t until Olav Haraldsson got the throne at about 1015 that Christianity truely got a hold in the Norwegian Kingdom, Olav forced his people into accepting the faith by giving them an option; Either you worship the &#8220;true&#8221; god or be executed / lose your body parts and be exiled from the kingdom; Olav also destroyed sevral pagan art works, places of worship and such, however this was not enough for his people to convert fully, and many parts of the old ways would survive, even to these modern days, for example &#8220;Christmas&#8221; which in Norwegian is called Jul, decending from Yule (a norse holliday). Later the people rebelled against Olav, and he lost his throne at about 1028, then his life at 1030 during the battle of Stikklestad against the &#8220;rebels&#8221;; upon Olav`s death things happened with his corpse, such as his blood supposedly restoring a blinde man`s vision, his hair and nails growing, and his body not decomposing, and alot of other &#8220;miracles&#8221; at 1031 Olav was declared a &#8220;Saint&#8221; and people would pray to him for help and guidance and recieve the aid they hoped for.</p>
<p>To sum it all up; The norse people had little choice but convert to christianity, as it was that or be dishonoured. Also one can speculate that the Christian faith seemed stronger to the Norwegian people due to the acomplishments and &#8220;miracles&#8221; regarding Olav Haraldsson.</p>
<p>However I would like to state once more; that Olav did not succeed entirely, as many traiditions and such lived onwards, and sevral of the norse customs remained the same, and simply changed in name and purpose.</p>
<p>I do hope this have explained the whole thing decently to you all, and that you actually bothered to read what I wrote, furthermore I apologize for any typoes I might have had.</p>
<p>Thank you for your time<br />
Kire.</p>
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		<title>By: DT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 23:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually &quot;Fidur&quot;, all I see from you is sweeping generalizations but no specifics. It&#039;s actually you who don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about. Pointing out &quot;Net spelling errors is the mark of the lame, on the Internet, no one spells correctly anymore, and people who criticize other&#039;s spelling on the internet is about like the loser who says &quot;I&#039;m a good driver&quot; ala Sienfleid.  Get a job as a proofreader, and you&#039;ll have a field day.  Chances are you&#039;re yet another Neo-Nazi Cretin who thinks Aryans are superior. I suggest you read The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, and you&#039;ll see I&#039;m right about witches (as already mentioned) and then decide.  When you have the scholastic credentials of R.H. Robbins, then we&#039;ll talk. Until then, bug off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually &#8220;Fidur&#8221;, all I see from you is sweeping generalizations but no specifics. It&#8217;s actually you who don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about. Pointing out &#8220;Net spelling errors is the mark of the lame, on the Internet, no one spells correctly anymore, and people who criticize other&#8217;s spelling on the internet is about like the loser who says &#8220;I&#8217;m a good driver&#8221; ala Sienfleid.  Get a job as a proofreader, and you&#8217;ll have a field day.  Chances are you&#8217;re yet another Neo-Nazi Cretin who thinks Aryans are superior. I suggest you read The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology, and you&#8217;ll see I&#8217;m right about witches (as already mentioned) and then decide.  When you have the scholastic credentials of R.H. Robbins, then we&#8217;ll talk. Until then, bug off.</p>
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		<title>By: Fidur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fidur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DT, it&#039;s ironic that you try to correct someone for not capitalizing the word &quot;Christian&quot;, yet your post is littered with spelling errors.  Need I remind you that correcting one&#039;s spelling, especially over something that perhaps only you feel is dear (such as capitalizaing christianity, which I will no longer do simply to thwart you), is the last refuge of a pseudo-intellectual?

Your history lesson there is flawed and filled with holes.  It&#039;s a shame that while you&#039;re on the right track, you are spouting off inaccuracies.  This is criminal because people come here looking to read into something, hoping to gain insight, and will be mislead by your half-truths and inaccuracies.

At best, you simply don&#039;t know what you&#039;re talking about and could use another history lesson (perhaps an unbiased, Westernized one) -- and at worst, you&#039;re intentionally ignorant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DT, it&#8217;s ironic that you try to correct someone for not capitalizing the word &#8220;Christian&#8221;, yet your post is littered with spelling errors.  Need I remind you that correcting one&#8217;s spelling, especially over something that perhaps only you feel is dear (such as capitalizaing christianity, which I will no longer do simply to thwart you), is the last refuge of a pseudo-intellectual?</p>
<p>Your history lesson there is flawed and filled with holes.  It&#8217;s a shame that while you&#8217;re on the right track, you are spouting off inaccuracies.  This is criminal because people come here looking to read into something, hoping to gain insight, and will be mislead by your half-truths and inaccuracies.</p>
<p>At best, you simply don&#8217;t know what you&#8217;re talking about and could use another history lesson (perhaps an unbiased, Westernized one) &#8212; and at worst, you&#8217;re intentionally ignorant.</p>
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		<title>By: HUEVO</title>
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		<dc:creator>HUEVO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The paganism its great, was for money and Power. The pope offer money for conquer but one condition. Start to cut heads in towns then offer salvation with the Christ. Was very easy the conversion to a new god that people don&#039;t believed. So what man is not a god born from a woman (that he said, women are created by satan to not allow man live in sanctity) that magic kings (people who practice magic are from satan) and pay tribute the new born with 3 gifts. the same gifts offer to the pagan gods in the same era? OMG o.O</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The paganism its great, was for money and Power. The pope offer money for conquer but one condition. Start to cut heads in towns then offer salvation with the Christ. Was very easy the conversion to a new god that people don&#8217;t believed. So what man is not a god born from a woman (that he said, women are created by satan to not allow man live in sanctity) that magic kings (people who practice magic are from satan) and pay tribute the new born with 3 gifts. the same gifts offer to the pagan gods in the same era? OMG o.O</p>
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		<title>By: Gerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, speaking of misguided..... I have to say all of you should read things orther than the internet. One and only one religion has killed more people in the name of their G than any other, and it wasn&#039;t any of the pagans. There&#039;s a national holiday dedicated to murder correuption and sin and people focus on ancient religions as issues?  Anyway, people converted for many reasons. Some were forced, some did it out of rebelion, some because the word made sense to them. Believe it or not some were even bribed. This took generations to do. Bottom line all organized religions are corrupt at some point and divine at others. If you really want to be a good person follow the commandments, live life to the fullest, and keep an open mind. Ideas are the way not beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, speaking of misguided&#8230;.. I have to say all of you should read things orther than the internet. One and only one religion has killed more people in the name of their G than any other, and it wasn&#8217;t any of the pagans. There&#8217;s a national holiday dedicated to murder correuption and sin and people focus on ancient religions as issues?  Anyway, people converted for many reasons. Some were forced, some did it out of rebelion, some because the word made sense to them. Believe it or not some were even bribed. This took generations to do. Bottom line all organized religions are corrupt at some point and divine at others. If you really want to be a good person follow the commandments, live life to the fullest, and keep an open mind. Ideas are the way not beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: DT</title>
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		<dc:creator>DT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the so-called &quot;Dark Ages&quot; weren&#039;t as dark as people think. That&#039;s a misnomer. Some good books on the subject are &quot;How The Irish Saved Civilization&quot; and &quot;6 Modern Myths About Christianity and Western Civilization&quot; by Philip Sampson The myth that women healers were condemned as witches began in the 19th century via Jules Michelet. The witch hunt era began in the Middle Ages, not the Dark Ages  and prior to that, witchcraft was considered an offence about as equal to that of adultery, and witches were viewed as misguided, rather than evil. The idea of witches as evil had to be forced on society over a period of decades. The witch hut era was fueled by the desire for money more than anything.  (Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology R.H. Robbins). There&#039;s really no connection at all to witches and Pagans...except in the imaginations of Wiccan writers. Many people romaticize what Viking religion was like, but there&#039;s really no reason to think it was much different than the Pagan religions of their neighbours. 

All religions aren&#039;t the same, which is why Europeans ditched praying to trees and became Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the so-called &#8220;Dark Ages&#8221; weren&#8217;t as dark as people think. That&#8217;s a misnomer. Some good books on the subject are &#8220;How The Irish Saved Civilization&#8221; and &#8220;6 Modern Myths About Christianity and Western Civilization&#8221; by Philip Sampson The myth that women healers were condemned as witches began in the 19th century via Jules Michelet. The witch hunt era began in the Middle Ages, not the Dark Ages  and prior to that, witchcraft was considered an offence about as equal to that of adultery, and witches were viewed as misguided, rather than evil. The idea of witches as evil had to be forced on society over a period of decades. The witch hut era was fueled by the desire for money more than anything.  (Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology R.H. Robbins). There&#8217;s really no connection at all to witches and Pagans&#8230;except in the imaginations of Wiccan writers. Many people romaticize what Viking religion was like, but there&#8217;s really no reason to think it was much different than the Pagan religions of their neighbours. </p>
<p>All religions aren&#8217;t the same, which is why Europeans ditched praying to trees and became Christians.</p>
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