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		<title>By: Scotty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 01:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much of the reason that Vikings converted was for trade and political gain: 

The raids on the Frankish kingdoms and the British Isles brought increased contact with Christianity. Although Vikings often seem to have maintained their beliefs throughout the periods of their raiding, there was considerable pressure to convert to Christianity if they wished to have more peaceful relations with the Christians. This could happen on a political level, as in the Treaty of Wedmore in 878. The treaty bound the Viking leader Guthrum to accept Christianity, with Alfred of Wessex as his godfather, and Alfred in turn recognised Guthrum as the ruler of East Anglia.

Another more or less formal convention applied to trade, since Christians were not really supposed to trade with pagans. Although a full conversion does not seem to have been demanded of all Scandinavian traders, the custom of &#039;primsigning&#039; (first-signing) was introduced. This was a halfway step, falling short of baptism, but indicating some willingness to accept Christianity, and this was often deemed to be enough to allow trading.&quot;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/vikings/religion_01.shtml

This was similar to the Vikings/Rus who sailed to Constantinople in the 900s, creating havoc as they went and accepting great tribute. The choice of religious conversion was pragmatic for the tribal leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of the reason that Vikings converted was for trade and political gain: </p>
<p>The raids on the Frankish kingdoms and the British Isles brought increased contact with Christianity. Although Vikings often seem to have maintained their beliefs throughout the periods of their raiding, there was considerable pressure to convert to Christianity if they wished to have more peaceful relations with the Christians. This could happen on a political level, as in the Treaty of Wedmore in 878. The treaty bound the Viking leader Guthrum to accept Christianity, with Alfred of Wessex as his godfather, and Alfred in turn recognised Guthrum as the ruler of East Anglia.</p>
<p>Another more or less formal convention applied to trade, since Christians were not really supposed to trade with pagans. Although a full conversion does not seem to have been demanded of all Scandinavian traders, the custom of &#8216;primsigning&#8217; (first-signing) was introduced. This was a halfway step, falling short of baptism, but indicating some willingness to accept Christianity, and this was often deemed to be enough to allow trading.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/vikings/religion_01.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/vikings/religion_01.shtml</a></p>
<p>This was similar to the Vikings/Rus who sailed to Constantinople in the 900s, creating havoc as they went and accepting great tribute. The choice of religious conversion was pragmatic for the tribal leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: swed</title>
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		<dc:creator>swed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 05:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[moderated]

Kire, du är bäst! [moderated] Gord appear to be you’re the opposite. Your posts just lift this thread to the next level. I like to add something, though. The first missionaries that came to Scandinavia were taken slaves and pagan people really was amazed by the strength they showed resigning their self to their fate. And fate was everything to the pagans. This “new” God seemed to be a really strong one.

The Vikings war skills were a result of many factors but most important by necessity. As only the oldest son was entitled to the inheritance of the farm and Vikings took a pride in having many children there became a great surplus of men that rather sought honor and gold abroad than stayed home working for a brother. The pagans also truly believed in fate, being practical people with much fighting training, good seamen, and being, what we today call, hungry. There were very, very few berserks. As a matter of fact, although we know that the Koryaks an indigenous people in Siberia use the mushroom fly agaric or fly amanita (Amanita muscaria) there’s no evidence that the Vikings did.

The Vikings didn’t burn down churches to loot them. Nope! The valuable stuff had often been hidden prior to the attack and there’s no meaning destroying things you want to steal, is there? I don’t think they ever started an attack by burning a church or monastery down but they carried out their threats if nobody would show them the hidden treasures or pay the ransom. As I said, Vikings were practical people and they found it convenient that people had gathered in one place. 

The runes have been around for more than a thousand years and there’s no way some of them can be disqualified and banned (forbidden) because the Nazi’s that ruled for merely 12 years used them for certain purposes! That’s something the modern German state is dead wrong about! The fasces are still used by the Swedish police in their emblem and by the U.S.A in theirs in spite the fact that it was the Italian state insignia under Benito Mussolini and the source of the word fascism!</description>
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<p>Kire, du är bäst! [moderated] Gord appear to be you’re the opposite. Your posts just lift this thread to the next level. I like to add something, though. The first missionaries that came to Scandinavia were taken slaves and pagan people really was amazed by the strength they showed resigning their self to their fate. And fate was everything to the pagans. This “new” God seemed to be a really strong one.</p>
<p>The Vikings war skills were a result of many factors but most important by necessity. As only the oldest son was entitled to the inheritance of the farm and Vikings took a pride in having many children there became a great surplus of men that rather sought honor and gold abroad than stayed home working for a brother. The pagans also truly believed in fate, being practical people with much fighting training, good seamen, and being, what we today call, hungry. There were very, very few berserks. As a matter of fact, although we know that the Koryaks an indigenous people in Siberia use the mushroom fly agaric or fly amanita (Amanita muscaria) there’s no evidence that the Vikings did.</p>
<p>The Vikings didn’t burn down churches to loot them. Nope! The valuable stuff had often been hidden prior to the attack and there’s no meaning destroying things you want to steal, is there? I don’t think they ever started an attack by burning a church or monastery down but they carried out their threats if nobody would show them the hidden treasures or pay the ransom. As I said, Vikings were practical people and they found it convenient that people had gathered in one place. </p>
<p>The runes have been around for more than a thousand years and there’s no way some of them can be disqualified and banned (forbidden) because the Nazi’s that ruled for merely 12 years used them for certain purposes! That’s something the modern German state is dead wrong about! The fasces are still used by the Swedish police in their emblem and by the U.S.A in theirs in spite the fact that it was the Italian state insignia under Benito Mussolini and the source of the word fascism!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Banderob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Banderob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, I was wondering if I could get some help on viking runes. I was thinking about getting a couple of tattoos that mean something to me and would trace back my lineage. Quarter of my family (on my mothers side) are from Newfoundland, and before that their lineage traces somehow back to Vikings from Finland, most likely the Varangians.
I was wondering if there are Norse runes that mean/ represent determination and perseverance, I was thinking of getting them tattoo&#039;d on the inside of my upper arms.
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, I was wondering if I could get some help on viking runes. I was thinking about getting a couple of tattoos that mean something to me and would trace back my lineage. Quarter of my family (on my mothers side) are from Newfoundland, and before that their lineage traces somehow back to Vikings from Finland, most likely the Varangians.<br />
I was wondering if there are Norse runes that mean/ represent determination and perseverance, I was thinking of getting them tattoo&#8217;d on the inside of my upper arms.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ger was an old germanic word for spear. You can hear it in the book of Beowulf. The danes refer to the germans as spear danes,   ger-spear/ danes-men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ger was an old germanic word for spear. You can hear it in the book of Beowulf. The danes refer to the germans as spear danes,   ger-spear/ danes-men.</p>
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		<title>By: kundan</title>
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		<dc:creator>kundan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is the meaning when a picture containing leben-rune(reverse Y) inside the circle and infinity below the circle and 
above the circle is right arrow(just like tyr rune)

say appropriate word of this all runology</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is the meaning when a picture containing leben-rune(reverse Y) inside the circle and infinity below the circle and<br />
above the circle is right arrow(just like tyr rune)</p>
<p>say appropriate word of this all runology</p>
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		<title>By: Einar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Einar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paganism in the classical sense wasn&#039;t an organized religion.  It was more of a set of traditions handed down, but likely varying wherever you went.  When Christian missionaries showed up, Jesus was looked upon as just another deity by the pagans.  But a deity that offered an afterlife that was far better than Hel.  Because 99% of Norse weren&#039;t joining the parties in Valholl or Sessrumnir -- most people didn&#039;t die bravely in battle, even then.   

In many cases, pressure was put on the people to convert, but it was kind of inevitable.  Even in 11th century Iceland, half the people had voluntarily converted already, before the vote was taken to make the entire island Christian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paganism in the classical sense wasn&#8217;t an organized religion.  It was more of a set of traditions handed down, but likely varying wherever you went.  When Christian missionaries showed up, Jesus was looked upon as just another deity by the pagans.  But a deity that offered an afterlife that was far better than Hel.  Because 99% of Norse weren&#8217;t joining the parties in Valholl or Sessrumnir &#8212; most people didn&#8217;t die bravely in battle, even then.   </p>
<p>In many cases, pressure was put on the people to convert, but it was kind of inevitable.  Even in 11th century Iceland, half the people had voluntarily converted already, before the vote was taken to make the entire island Christian.</p>
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		<title>By: Leroy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leroy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jul 2011 14:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you as ignorant as to miss te point of thus article in it purpose. The Nazis took these &#039;symbols&#039; and adapted their own variations on their meaning. . Perhaps they used a similar symbol as a sign of rebellion of Nazi philosophies. What ever the reason the ignorance you speak of comes across heavily upon yourself.  So take your rant on hippies elsewhere   

To everyone else besides DT and gord greatly insightful comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you as ignorant as to miss te point of thus article in it purpose. The Nazis took these &#8216;symbols&#8217; and adapted their own variations on their meaning. . Perhaps they used a similar symbol as a sign of rebellion of Nazi philosophies. What ever the reason the ignorance you speak of comes across heavily upon yourself.  So take your rant on hippies elsewhere   </p>
<p>To everyone else besides DT and gord greatly insightful comments.</p>
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		<title>By: gord</title>
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		<dc:creator>gord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The toten rune is the genesis of the 1960s peace symbol. Those idiot and ignorant hippies used a symbol that was in fact a grave marker used by the Waffen SS. And don&#039;t try to tell me the peace symbol has a circle drwn around it and so is entirely different; it&#039;s not different it&#039;s just another example of baby boomer ignorance. They couldn&#039;t even come up with an original symbol for peace; no, they had to use a symbol honoring   NAZI dead in combat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The toten rune is the genesis of the 1960s peace symbol. Those idiot and ignorant hippies used a symbol that was in fact a grave marker used by the Waffen SS. And don&#8217;t try to tell me the peace symbol has a circle drwn around it and so is entirely different; it&#8217;s not different it&#8217;s just another example of baby boomer ignorance. They couldn&#8217;t even come up with an original symbol for peace; no, they had to use a symbol honoring   NAZI dead in combat.</p>
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		<title>By: Manfred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 09:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep reading these letters about vikings &#039;&#039;pillaging&#039;&#039;. Is it not true that nowadays there&#039;s more and more evedince found that vikings were actualy 
tradesman. That would explain viking symbols found at places all over the world (for example turkish mosques), placed there by local people out of respect for the vikings. ps; excuses for my poor english</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep reading these letters about vikings &#8221;pillaging&#8221;. Is it not true that nowadays there&#8217;s more and more evedince found that vikings were actualy<br />
tradesman. That would explain viking symbols found at places all over the world (for example turkish mosques), placed there by local people out of respect for the vikings. ps; excuses for my poor english</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because their King did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because their King did.</p>
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